My concern about Pragmatic Play (sida 11)

Jag ville faktiskt inte skriva något mer om det, men här kommer ytterligare ett inlägg om upplevelsen jag tyvärr har haft de senaste tre dagarna. I flera år har jag mest bara spelat de två spelen: Big Bass Bonanza och Christmas. Bara i går fick jag free spins på båda minst 20 gånger för 2 euro och 3 euro. Varje gång, men varje gång kom den första sportfiskaren efter 7:e spinn. Det spelade ingen roll om jag hade 15 eller 10 gratissnurr. Varje gång efter det 7:e snurret. Varje gång vann jag mindre än 100 euro. På Big Bass Halloween cirka 10 gånger för 1,50 och 1,80, inte en gång över 100 euro. På Tropicana 5 gånger för 2,40, 5 gånger för 1,20 och 5 gånger för 0,96 euro, inte en gång över 50 euro. Endast en gång, av alla gratissnurr ovan och andra minst 20-25 på insatser på 1 euro, 1,20 etc., kom jag till den tredje omgången och vann 87 euro. Ska det vara slumpmässigt? Gratissnurr värda över 10 000 euro med mer än 80 % i fickan och samma billiga vinst och exakt samma process? Nej, det har inget med slumpmässighet att göra. Det är bara en väldigt smart spelleverantör som ställer in allt för var och en av oss beroende på typ av spel. På 2 år har jag haft tusentals gratissnurr och inte en enda gång, inte ens den stora fisken, har vunnit 2000x. Varje gång har jag vunnit 10x, 12x eller sämre. På 50 gratissnurr kanske jag har vunnit 200 mer än den vanliga vinsten. Och det är några andra som skriver här att det har med tur att göra? Hur är det möjligt att jag efter 1 eller 2 snurr vet exakt hur resten kommer att gå? För det har med tur eller med slump att göra? Naturligtvis inte, för alla har ett mindset som vet att efter några små vinster kommer vi att fortsätta spela och kanske betala mer. Så om någon skriver här att det är ett hasardspel etc så är de definitivt inte helt ärliga. Tack

Ytterligare ett tillägg: igår, för runt 400 euro i insättningar, fick jag gratissnurr på Big Bass Bonanza och Christmas flera gånger, en gång var det 150 euro, annars var alla under 50. Alla pengar är förstås borta. Från igår kväll till nyligen satte jag in 600 euro, 2 x gratissnurr på 1 euro. Båda gångerna var jag förstås den första sportfiskaren efter det 7:e snurret och vann 28 euro. Vem mer vill säga att casino cashwin.com och pragmatic inte är bedragare? Spel värda över 30 000 euro på 7 dagar och samma sak varje gång.

I guess they started reading our posts on casino guru. The series of wins over the last two weeks was something incredible and indescribable. From deposits totaling approximately EUR 400, the total winnings amount to over EUR 10,000. I lost everything to zero, because when you want to keep playing and build balance, the casino will definitely tell you no and take away all your funds. It has always been so and will be so forever. I don't want to favor any casino, but at Betunlim I had the most epic wins of my life. Try to play from Saturday to Sunday. Then a lot of people play and the chances for epic hits are the highest, in my opinion.

I don't understand one thing. If you have this opinion and you are not doing well and you think that pragmatic is a bad provider and you don't get free spins or it's only once in a while, or even if you do get it, it always pays so little, why do you keep playing on these slots ? I have a feeling that you are going against yourself and it makes absolutely no sense to lose money on something that has somehow been verified by your own judgement. 

I guess it's the first time I see that you have such screenshots and I'm sure glad if you managed to win. The other side of the coin is that you probably lost it all back, which is pretty sad, because you don't have to win that kind of money in a casino. 

But I'm pleased that it's not just about how bad everything is.

HELLO, I AM WRITTEN TO YOU FROM TURKEY. FIRST, I APOLOGIZE FOR MY ENGLISH. I ALSO THINK THE PRAGMATIC GAMES ARE SERIOUSLY FOOLED ME NOW. I BOUGHT 11 FREE HAND SPINS AND LOST 11 HANDS IN A ROW. I THINK THE GAMES WERE INTERFERED AND MANIPULATED. THE SITES I PLAY ON ARE BETNANO AND BETSAT IN TURKEY. THERE ARE INTERVENTIONS IN BOTH SITES. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GAME HISTORY ADDRESSES, THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS BETSUDIOS, BASED IN MALTA, AND THE ADDRESS OF ONE IS HIS OWN SERVERS. AS MUCH AS I UNDERSTAND, THESE SERVERS ARE CHEATING WITH 3RD PARTY SOFTWARE. I AM ADDING THE SCREENSHOTS.THIS CANNOT BE CALLED LUCK. I BUY 19 GAMES ON THE BETSAT SITE, 3 GAMES A SMALL WIN, 16 GAMES A FULL LOSS. I BUY 11 GAMES ON THE BETNANO SITE, ALL 11 GAMES ARE LOST. SOMEONE PROVE TO ME THAT THIS IS NORMAL. THIS IS NOT NORMAL IT IS A SCAM

PLEASE DONT GAMBLE ANYONE. GAMBLING IS FINANCIAL RUIN. I HATE GAMBLING SO MUCH. STAKE CASINO AND PRAGMATIC PLAY ARE BIG FRAUDS. YESTERDAY I LOST 82$ IN PRAGMATIC PLAY WITH NO BONUS.

Som du säger, det är spel, så du behöver tur. Du ska inte spela bort dina viktiga pengar, bara vad du har kvar när du utövar denna hobby.

De flesta pragmatiska spel är ganska flyktiga, vilket gör det svårare att vinna där.

Volatile = honest way of scamming

Hobby leads to addiction

Addiction leads to financial ruin

Both of your posts sound like you have quite a deep opinion on how it works. Do you care to be more specific by chance?

I also know quite a good saying, though:

"Generalization undermines objectivity, and the absence of objectivity undermines the idea."

I bet we can delve into details, though I'll leave that to you. 🙏

Strong-minded people are, from my experience, perfectly suitable to have hobbies without this side effect.

I prefer not to tend to simplify everything into a fancy verse. Perhaps you have some live experience worth sharing. Do you, by any means, need some support?

Hmm, the player below you described it well, high volatility means that it is quite possible that you will have a lot of dead spins but if the game hits a big win, it is usually worth it. 

However, it is gambling and with it comes the risk of losing money. You definitely don't need to play with money you can't afford and you should only spend what you don't feel sorry for.

So even if you had a streak like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that the games are rigged. I've seen a lot of bonuses that were bought for like $1000 and got back $50. It's not unusual, so if you can't afford it, definitely don't spend money on playing slots. 

HELLO JARO, IT IS AN ABNORMAL SITUATION FOR ALL 11 PURCHASED GAMES TO MAKE A LOSS. I THINK IT IS AGAINST THE RTP OF THE GAME. I HAVE NEVER SEEN 11 HANDS IN A SEASON WINNER. IF THE GAME IS PAST, 11 PURCHASES AND 11 GAMES ARE LOST IN A ROW. I DON'T THINK THIS MAKE LOGICAL. I WILL REPORT THIS SITUATION TO THE LICENSING COMPANY AND IGAMING. THIS CAN NEVER BE THE GAME'S WRITTEN RTP AND RETURN TO PLAYER RATE

DID YOU SEE THE ONE WHO WON 11 GAMES IN A Row, BROTHER? NO BUT I LOSED 11 GAMES IN A ROW. IF YOU PLAY THIS GAME, HAVE YOU EVER LOST 11 GAMES IN A ROW, EVEN IF YOU MAKE A PROFIT ONCE AGAIN? THERE IS NO VARIATION LIKE THIS, IT IS NOT EARNING HARD, IT IS BEING DECEIVED.

If you are going to report it then feel free to let me know what result you got and what they told you. 

As for whether I saw someone who won in 11 bonuses, I can't say exactly, but I know that I saw a player who had a profit from 15 bonuses to 10 a couple of times, which is quite a lot. But a week later he had 10 bonuses and he was minus on all of them, so like I said it's gambling. Sometimes you get it right and sometimes it's like you had it. 

It's certainly not pleasant but if you're going to play you have to be prepared for that scenario. 🤷‍♂️😕

HELLO, I COMPLAINED WITH ONE OF THESE SITES TO THE TER WHO LICENSED THE SITE. THEY SENT AN EMAIL THAT PRAGMATIC PLAY DETERMINES THE RTP RATES OF THE BETTING SITE WITH THEIR GAME HISTORIES AND SHARED MY GAME DATA. IT IS ACTUALLY PROOF OF HOW THEY INTERVENE IN THESE GAMES. THEY HAVE A PANEL AND THERE ARE YOUR EARNING STATISTICS, BUT I NEVER CRIED ABOUT SUCH WINNINGS IN THE GATE OF 1000 GAME THAT HE SHARED. I SENT AN E-MAIL TO THE LICENSING COMPANY THAT THIS IS EVIDENCE AND I AM SENDING THEIR RESPONSE TO YOU.

 Dear Executive,

You have not provided Curaçao eGaming ("CEG") and/or the Player with an update regarding this complaint within seven days of the previous notice. This means that the operator is now in material breach of the IP-agreement with CEG. The operator is now granted three more working days before CEG shall make a preliminary ruling in this matter. This could mean that CEG may decide in favour of the Player.

Thanks for forwarding me the answer. When did it happen ? At the time you posted here ? I see that the casino probably has a few more days to reply to you and I'm curious how this will all end. Definitely let me know if anything changes, I'm quite interested.

I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. 🤞

Idag spelade jag Big Bass Bonanza and Christmas igen på Cashwin.com. 11 gånger för 1 euro gratissnurr med en vinst på 146 euro, annars alla andra under 40 euro.

5 gånger på 2 euro med en maximal vinst på 76 euro.

1 gång på 1.20 4 scatters med 2 omgångar 27 euro.

Alla andra gratissnurr på 80 och 90 cent fungerade på exakt samma sätt.

Och det finns faktiskt fortfarande människor som säger att det är ett hasardspel och Pragmatic Play har en juridisk slumpmässig princip igång.

De har ingenting!

Annars kan man faktiskt förklara något sådant. En gång, två gånger, men jag förstår det inte 1000 gånger.