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Question about Gambling websites with Curaçao license using incorrect Merchant Category code (sida 90)

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Refundnow
1 år sedan
gbse

Due to breaching the rules again, I'm banning your account.

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Jaro
1 år sedan
fisegb

Hej, någon chans att du kan avslöja dessa kasinon? Jag har en stark misstanke om vilka kasinon...

om de har rätt och de tror att vi begår ett brott varför är de rädda och kontaktar till och med underhåll för att ta bort denna tråd?. Den här kedjan skulle vara en lottovinst för dem, här är alla vi som har begått ett "brott" enligt dem, de skulle stämma oss och få ersättning... eller hur?

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Refundnow
1 år sedan
segb

Du verkar vara en väldigt förvirrad person, ta hand om dig och ha en fin dag. ☀️👌

Refundnow
1 år sedan
gbse

👋

Anonymized603
1 år sedan
segb

Låt oss klargöra detta.

-Att kontakta payment gateways, betalningsaktörer, casinon och be om återbetalning på grund av felaktig MCC kod och transaction laundering är INTE olagligt. De kan helt enkelt bara förklara att de tycker att en har fel, och inte betala tillbaka någonting.

-Att kontakta samma aktörer och begära återbetalning pga påhittad anledning, t.ex. att man inte mottagit pengarna, kan vara försök till bedrägeri.

-Att hota någon aktör med våld, trakasserier etc. kan vara olagligt

-Att göra en kortreklamation till sin bank och inte vara ärlig med att man mottagit pengarna till casinospel är försök till bedrägeri dvs olagligt

-Att göra en kortreklamation till sin bank och vara ärlig med att det gått till casino är inte olagligt. Däremot kan banken välja att frysa dina konton (tillfälligt) eller säga upp dig som kund om de bedömer dig vara en högriskkund.

Tråden behöver inte stängas ner. Den grundläggande frågeställningen är inte felaktig. Det är ett gråområde gällande hur lagligt eller ej det är med "transaction laundering" och användning av felaktiga MCC-koder -det är absolut not Mastercard och ViSAs policys, men rent legalt är det mer en gråzon. Det är antagligen därför vissa väljer att betala tillbaka och andra inte.

Så länge man håller sig till detta, och håller sig till sanningen, kan man inte bli dömd för något brott. Däremot har även jag flera gånger tidigare varnat för att det är försök till bedrägeri att ljuga för/undanhålla sanningen för sin bank om man gör en kortreklamation. Även om man mailar dessa företag och ljuger och t.ex. säger att man inte mottagit casinoinbetalningen, skulle det eventuellt kunna vara bedrägeri. Jag har dock väldigt svårt att se att de skulle tycka att det är värt att driva en kostsam rättslig process mot någon individ för dett för sådana låga summor det handlar om.

Ändrad
1 år sedan
gbse

I totally agree, to be honest. There is a simpler way to avoid this. Don't play at Curacao or don't play at all, if you are not willing to take the winning or losing risk.

1 år sedan
gbse

I think you meant don't play at any unlicensed casino 🙂, which in general means no MGA, no Estonia or no Curacao or any other fake jurisdiction. Just because they say they have a license, doesn't mean it's a license. A license for what? Scamming people? Processing payments incorrectly?

This fraud is in any jurisdiction with fake international licenses. The fraud don't exist in, for example, the Swedish licensed casinos or the UK licensed casinos. Don't play at all if you are in a country that doesn't have a proper national license. We all know we're just giving away money to money launderers and tax avoiders by doing this. It's similar to buying drugs from criminals. It leads to violence, more crime etc etc.

I would say it's important to remember this in the long run.




1 år sedan
gbse

Digikey, Budapest. (digikeyboard.com) refunded and emailed me with this explanation: they dont seem to understand exactly what is happening.


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Also feastingmen.com / amegagame.com refunded today.


So don't let yourselves be threatened. it is obvious that the Casinos are taking advantage of some companies here and it is they who are doing the wrong thing.

1 år sedan
gbse

I think it been mentioned before, a lot of the merchants, (except the obvious Estonian shell companies), are unaware of the issue. They are just getting used as much as we are getting used by dubious suspicious payment processors/Gateways/aquiring banks that is the culprit.

1 år sedan
Anonymized609 raderade inlägget.
1 år sedan
gbse

Sweden or no Sweden, easy to spoof your location or account here too.

But so many obvious accounts trying to threaten us, saying we will be sued etc etc

How would they sue us using a casino guru username, lol.

1 år sedan
gbse

I would advise every single person to leave the thread. All financial institutions are aware of this now and are actively saving copies of people’s posts for their own investigations.


Casino Guru need to close this thread down immediately

1 år sedan
gbse

lol, they will sue my casino.guru username

all financial instutitions, haha, like they would bother.

1 år sedan
gbse

I uploaded the documents but they were removed!!


I haven’t been paid anything to silence people. I was passing on the message I received which clearly shows that this thread is illegal.


some of you claim to not care but I promise you will if they contact you directly.

1 år sedan
gbse

How would they contact me directly?


1 år sedan
gbse

Basically admitting on here to gambling but then claiming to not receive goods is an illegal offence. They are saying that we are capitalising on both playing with the funds and then getting money back. Also by us getting other people involved it makes it more serious as it’s a fraudulent scheme.


this is what they are telling me. I perfectly understand people wanting to keep their posts on here but it’s not worth it for me to do so receiving the threat.



1 år sedan
gbse

who is telling you? Your Russian overlords?

1 år sedan
gbse

Sounds to me like this thread is working. Keep fighting!

Glamors12
1 år sedan
segb

Fast quickbit har väl inte betalat tillbaka överhuvudtaget? Jag har inte läst någon som fått tillbaka från dom iaf 😕

1 år sedan
fisegb

Hej, någon chans att du kan avslöja dessa kasinon? Jag har en stark misstanke om vilka kasinon...

om de har rätt och de tror att vi begår ett brott varför är de rädda och kontaktar till och med underhåll för att ta bort denna tråd?. Den här kedjan skulle vara en lottovinst för dem, här är alla vi som har begått ett "brott" enligt dem, de skulle stämma oss och få ersättning... eller hur?

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1 år sedan
gbse

We don't want to post what casinos are involved yet, because we are waiting to find out if they want to open a discussion with us. So we give them a few more days to get in touch.

Jaro
1 år sedan
gbse

the casinos won't sue anybody for sure, it's just kinda tactic, so you stop emailing them

on the other hand, I guess a good half of guys here try in fact dispute funds for the services they received and spent, I tried as well.

asking for a refund in this case directly from providers/casinos won't get you into legal trouble but if you raise it to the bank/other instances on a constant basis - that could be a matter lol

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Glamors12 raderade inlägget.
1 år sedan
gbse

Been following this thread for a while as I also noticed this on my bank statement and thought I'd recover some of my funds at least as I was getting fed up with it all.. I was also contacted yesterday by my bank directly after I disputed my transactions and have been told that they have noticed ''numerous clients disputing multiple transactions which were completed via 3d secure'' all claiming the same story behind their disputes and said that the matter is being investigated by the bank and my bank account is now part of the investigation WHICH IS NUTS!!! Has anyone else been contacted about this?!?! What is going to happen now??

palma
1 år sedan
segb

Vad gav du för förklaring/på vilka grunder begärde du kortreklamation?



palma
1 år sedan
segb

Det är omöjligt att säga om du inte berättar vilken grund du gjorde reklamationen på. Vad skrev du till banken när du gjorde reklamationen?

palma
1 år sedan
gbse

You don't need to worry. An investigation is always conducted. Such an investigation is necessary. It is these investigations that lead authorities and banks to take action. An investigation does not mean that you are a suspect; it is about understanding what happened and how it happened. 


Remember that we are suffering from gambling addiction, and these gambling companies exploit us because of it. They allow us to deposit money, but when it comes to withdrawals, they delay the process, citing minor rule violations. They demand an array of documents, all to exploit the customer's addiction and wait until the money is gambled away, only to then offer the customer a bonus to deposit even more money.


These casinos claim to offer a service. However, a service is not just letting customers waste their money on a slot machine. A service from a gambling company should include safe gambling practices, secure payments, and responsibility towards the customer's well-being, including their financial situation. 


I find it wonderful that the banks are finally taking notice. I encourage everyone to highlight these issues.



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