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Question about Gambling websites with Curaçao license using incorrect Merchant Category code (sida 1 538)

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Arra89
1 månad sedan
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Can someone tell me what they wrote to ivypay to get refunds for kryptonim back? They keep telling to contact each other🙄 ive shown them evidence of other players receiving refunds from ivypay and yet they just lie to my fsce saying they dont issue refunds! Quantipay Ag also appeared on my spreadsheet of payments from kryptonim email. So clearly they are both processed by ivy.filefile

1 månad sedan
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How long did it take them to respond? I'm still waiting!!!

Did you complete the online form and attach the evidence re kryptonim saying no? Have you any transaction data that proves the chain and who the wallets actually belonged to?

Has anyone actually had a refund from them?

Snowyhill84
1 månad sedan
gbse

About 2 weeks they took to reply to my original email. They have not sent me a form to fill as they are claiming they dont issue refunds. So I sent them screenshots of a users screenshots on here to call them out as they clearly do refund. Revolut have been useless. They told me to recall the transactions so I did then they told me they can't recall these transactions even though ivy told me to in there email. Im just going round in circles.

Snowyhill84
1 månad sedan
gbse

Yes kryptonim send me a excel spreadsheet with all the data. It left my revolut account as pounds, then on the way to the casino it was changed to usdc and when it hit my account it was back in pounds. I used the faster wire payments for deposits. I only sent them my 14 screenshots for kryptonim virtual services. But included on the spreadsheet in the email from kryptonim was another 5 transactions for Quantipay AG. So I can I only assume ivy.token processed these too. Pisses me off others get refunds and then the processors lie through there teeth saying they dont refund.

Arra89
1 månad sedan
gbse

The form is on their website. Interestingly when I contacted them after filling the online form they emailed me with a different form. Try running their T&C through AI and see if it picks up anything with all your correspondence.


Failing that are you not able to use their chargeback comment to support chargebacks?

Snowyhill84
1 månad sedan
gbse

Oh which site has a form ivy or kryptonim? Rev wont allow me to chargeback for wire transfers. Only for card payments. Plus rev have declined half my other merchants but the exact same merchants they have raised them for other users. Like wtf. Why only raise some and not everyone's.

Arra89
1 månad sedan
gbse

Yes kryptonim send me a excel spreadsheet with all the data. It left my revolut account as pounds, then on the way to the casino it was changed to usdc and when it hit my account it was back in pounds. I used the faster wire payments for deposits. I only sent them my 14 screenshots for kryptonim virtual services. But included on the spreadsheet in the email from kryptonim was another 5 transactions for Quantipay AG. So I can I only assume ivy.token processed these too. Pisses me off others get refunds and then the processors lie through there teeth saying they dont refund.

1 månad sedan
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Ivy's T&C are clear that they prohibit gambling. I agree it's hit and miss

1 månad sedan
gbse

Maybe its because its wire transfers? Mine are all via my debit card

The form is on ivy

https://www.getivy.io/complaint-form

Foxtrot90
1 månad sedan
gbse

Any more helpful info on mirai, just stressing that it’s over 1.5k and my bank won’t do the chargebacks

Buttyboii28
1 månad sedan
gbse

Mirai was the first merchant to refund me on revolut. Raised one evening and refunded the next day.

1 månad sedan
gbse

Evening all.

I still have a number of merchants that I am unable to identify, can anyone help please?

AIART, BKMETRY, BRTNET, DAWORMINO, DCT AIART TARTU, IDEAMELD, DROPDA, KIESMARKET, MINWISER, QEPACKO, SCUPDT, SIMPULS, SYNTHRT

Arra89
1 månad sedan
gbse

Yeah I raised it on my cc and they refunded me but Lloyds aren’t even interested in raising them

1 månad sedan
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anyone who has an idea about payments with random names + some UK postal code + cityname ???

examples

plajts GBW4 5YA London

Zenski GBE162DQ London

Temdot GBEH2 4AN Edinburgh

etc etc etc

Dead end looking online, maybe anyone who knows anything????

speaking of 10+K €

Buttyboii28
1 månad sedan
gbse

Shite isn't it. Monzo declined all my disputes. But some of the merchants refunded me anyway 2 days after what ever day I would raise my disputes. Over 7k back from this happening. But only like 17 of my 42 merchants on monzo have refunded voluntary.

Buttyboii28
1 månad sedan
gbse

Keyspectr is all I know sorry bud.

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DAC89
1 månad sedan
gbse

I cant remember what I raised these as. Think i went down the wrong mcc code route.

Arra89
1 månad sedan
gbse

Ayy definitely, what did you put them as when charging back? Goods not recieved?

DAC89
1 månad sedan
gbse

Yeah half of them impossible to find eh. Im sure I raised it as digital goods not received then mentioned wrong mcc code used, transaction laundering.

DAC89
1 månad sedan
gbse

Keep getting my replies to be reviewed.

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XkBoii
1 månad sedan
gbse

I can’t say what casino it was as I signed an NDA. It took me a few months to get to that point with them. I complained on a number of issues;

  • Ts&Cs specifically prohibited UK players.
  • Third party routing of payments which meant sharing my data with no contract.
  • No player care when it was very obvious I was in a downward spiral and had mentioned this to my VIP account manager a few times.
  • My account manager actively giving me ££’s of bonuses even when I said I didn’t want to deposit etc.

I deposited a substantial amount of money across this casino and sister sites. I engaged with them constructively, didn’t threaten reporting or bad reviews etc, and I think, crucially, I didn’t ask for my deposits back. Instead I focused on my net loss across all the sites, which I think was key to be honest. If I’d asked for my deposits back, I can guarantee it would have been a hard no. And realistically, I’d withdrawn quite a lot so I went down a route that was more palatable to them.

It was a lot of negotiation and back and forth but we came to an agreement that I was happy with and felt reflected a fair outcome for me.


With regards to Revolut, my recent chargebacks have all been raised under misrepresentation. I raised a few which Revolut declined to send to the merchant and a few that they did raise. I couldn’t figure out why some went through and some didn't so I spoke to an agent for quite a few hours, going through transactions and explaining the issue. I had proof of contact or at least trying to contact the merchants, screenshots of how I’d tracked down some weird and wonderful shell companies, and I was completely open and honest about my mental state at the time, what was going on in my life and how I was trying to rebuild and sort things out. I don’t know if I got just a really empathetic advisor but she did all the hard work with raising the actual disputes using the information and screenshots/emails that I had provided. She was able to bulk raise for same merchant and update with info all at same time.

I would recommend trying to speak to an advisor about the process and see what proof you can gather about the merchant. I think this is pretty key to be honest. Do NOT say it was fraud - that’s going to cause issues, and be honest that it was gambling related.

Since I stopped gambling, I’ve spent my evenings doggedly tracking down who I could - putting my energy into something else has massively helped! This forum has been a fantastic source of knowledge as a starting point so stick with it and search for the merchant. 99% of the time, someone will have mentioned them previously.

Thats what’s worked for me, although everyone’s situation is different so what works for one, might not for another. I’ve had knockbacks and I’m also not realistically chasing every single penny. I’ve accepted that the vast majority of it is gone so when a merchant comes back with "nope, sorry", I might follow up (depending on how shitty they’ve replied!) but overall, I just chalk it up to experience.

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