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Detta casino brukade vara verksamt under Curaçao. Vid den tidpunkten bad jag om att få blockera hela deras casinogrupp på grund av ett allvarligt spelberoende. Det lyckades vid den tidpunkten. Året var 2022-2023 när jag satte blockeringarna. Men för ungefär ett år sedan togs de gamla blockeringarna bort utan föregående meddelande. Jag kunde använda deras Curaçao-baserade casinon igen, men innan dess kunde jag inte ens logga in på grund av blockeringarna. Finns det någon anledning att klaga på detta eller kan de utlovade blockeringarna tas bort bara för det? Även om det faktiskt har sagts att jag är blockerad av deras Curaçao-licens.

Hello Mag7,

Every concern is worth raising a complaint because we can only retroactively determine whether it "was worth it" based on the process itself. This is a very good point, by the way, and in my opinion, it may partly depend on whether the block was associated with the license, such as when you sent your request to the license provider and were self-excluded at this level based on its interaction, or if it was your request that was forwarded to the casino. I'm just thinking aloud here; I can be entirely wrong, but I can somehow imagine casinos saying something similar...

This situation is, in my opinion, worth a look—definitely.

My colleagues will surely provide more details.

Jag bad om att få blockera hela deras Curaçao-licens. Senare frågade jag igen om jag var blockerad för hela licensen. De svarade att jag var blockerad för hela licensen på grund av spelberoende. Detta var 2023, när casinot fortfarande var under Curaçao. Något förändrades 2024 och de gamla blockeringarna togs bort utan föregående meddelande. Innan dess kunde jag inte logga in/sätta in pengar på deras Curaçao-casinon.

Jag tycker att de åtminstone borde ha meddelat om de inte längre kan behålla blocken. Jag förstår inte varför de plötsligt tog bort dem och vägrar att svara på något om det.

This was the conversation that took place when they were still under Curacao lisence. If they have told me this, can they all The sudden now allow me to use their sites again?

Så, vad ska man göra i en situation där ett casino har lovat att blockera en licens, men plötsligt har tagit tillbaka den och nu säger att det inte är möjligt att blockera en licens? Vilket av dessa är giltigt, vad casinot säger nu eller vad som sades tidigare?

Thank you very much for all the details.

I would certainly submit the complaint. For me, the dispute is no longer about whether the casino can do something or not. I believe we had this conversation before. Casinos can do anything but the question is what is responsible and acceptable.

Thus, I would go for the complaint. I agree with you; they should send you a note at least. We may both find out the industry works differently than the license requires.

Jag förstår verkligen inte den här typen av casinogrupper. De påstår att det inte förekommit någon sådan diskussion och vägrar på grundval av detta att lämna ut diskussionshistoriken, till exempel. Nu har de även blockerat mig från all kundtjänst på sina casinon i Estland och Curaçao.

Jag tycker att det är extremt dåligt beteende från casinots sida att de inte kan erkänna sina egna misstag, och att de rent ut sagt ljuger för att uppnå sin egen vinning.

They said there has never been such a conversation?!

Again, I'm at a loss for words.

If I may, always back up every communication you have at the casino regarding account closure. To me, this seems like the only way to overcome casinos' unwillingness to play fairly. It is a huge game changer once you can show that they are lying.

Could you please clarify whether this specific casino has self-excluded you or if it has only restricted your overall access to support? I hope I'm wrong here.

Yes they did, the most annoying part is that i clearly remember that i have asked to block their curacao lisence. At that time they said it is possible to do due my addiction. Now they say it is not possible to do and they dont offer that. I have been stupid as i have trusted the fact that this lisence block wouldnt go away like that and at least they wouldnt lie regarding the matter later on. I dont lie regarding this, at that time i blocked also few other curacao lisenced. As this conversation clearly shows, this was one of those lisences that set the block.

I have been really trusting towards casinos. Now i definitely know better for sure. They blocked my contacts first under Curacao, later they also did it under their Estonian lisence. Also they have earlier closed my account under Curacao when i contacted their Estonian lisence support. Owner is clearly The same, they just play with different lisences. We can all guess why all of their sites isnt under Estonian, when they clearly would have that opportunity...

Well, the way I see it, it was possible to self-exclude from certain license providers—one of the 4 former sublicenses—by submitting an official request through that license, not the casino. I believed we were discussing this specific situation. However, if you approach just the casino and they come up with their own way of excluding you, guess within its group, which has a specific license? It is something else, and we are getting back to the point of the casino's terms and, sadly, the screenshots.

I understand your point; it appears that only the license has changed, and I comprehend that.

However, self-exclusion on the operator/casino level, from the player perspective, has very little to do with specific licenses and therefore should be functioning regardless.

Thus, I believe it is stupid to reopen accounts like this without any warning or questions and keep lying about previous discussions.

Well if go to casinos support and ask can i have their whole lisence blocked due my addiction. They say that they agree to this and blocked me entirely from every site under lisence. Later i go to one of their curacao sites to ask that and they confirmed that i'm blocked from the whole lisence. And like i said i even couldnt log in on their curacao casinos with bank details earlier. All this changed last year and all the old blocks had gone away.

They would definitely send me the conversations, If they have done everything correctly. Like why wouldnt they? Of course they clearly can change their responsibility matters, like they clearly have done. However this is just to benefit from addicts. They also could easily set the blocks, like they have done so 2022-2023.

Och ja, varje Curaçao-licens jag har fått blockerad har blockerats via casinots kundtjänst. Så de har alltid kunnat sätta blockeringarna på plats, antingen genom att de själva har kunnat ställa in dem eller genom att vidarebefordra ärendet.

The latest description is very precise and I see it the same way. Why wouldn't the casino provide the chats if everything was done correctly...

I just sent this information to our Data Team expert Jozef. I'm interested in his opinion on this.

Thank you.

When i clearly have this screenshot of this conversation, it has happened and i'm sure they have it stored as this has took place 2023.

It is odd for them to say that i dont have any conversation history with this casino, and it is clearly seen they are totally lying about that.

Jozef and I agreed that associating self-exclusion with the Curaçao license is nonsensical. It has no meaning aside from misleading the player completely.

Self-exclusion works basically on those levels:

1) Single-operator level: Typically, when self-excluding in an online casino, the self-exclusion does not extend to other operators. (This creates a problem: self-excluded players can freely access and play at other casino websites, bringing the overall effectiveness of such self-exclusion schemes into question.)

2) Nationwide/license-wide level: Some countries and online gambling regulators, such as the UK, Sweden, or the Netherlands, operate wider self-exclusion schemes, which require their licensees (operators) to be part of nationwide (license-wide) self-exclusion schemes. These allow players to self-exclude from all casinos licensed in a specific country or by a specific regulator at once, creating a better level of protection.

In hand with that, once the account is self-excluded due to gambling addiction, no license changes should affect it. That's, pardon my French, bullshit.

If the casino is now saying that they can't exclude you on "license level," that's correct, yet the account should have never been reopened like this in the first place because there has never been a working tool to "exclude by license"...

So why then some curacao casinogroups sets blocks If you ask so? As did them also 2022.

For example i still have blocks for every casino under dama NV, Versus odds bv. I can make account just normal but they close it immediately.

And so did this group also, i couldnt log in their sites with My bank id with years 2022-2023. They changed their policy 2024 and no longer offers that clearly.

Dama NV är till och med så exemplariska att de även blockerar dig med en estnisk licens om du har begärt en blockering med deras Curacao-licens. Så till exempel kan jag inte använda något av Dama NV-ägarens casinon. Även om jag har begärt en blockering för licensen, bara ett! Genom deras underordnade casino.

What is mostly my point here, is that even lisence terms allows you to do something do you always have to do exactly like that? We all know that many curacao casinogroups could easily set blocks for their management casinos. But when curacao lisence allows them to not to do that, most decides to take benefit from this.

When we talk sites that has same support, same management, same owner. Most cases there isnt any valid reason why they wouldnt set blocks If it is asked. Just because they are allowed to do so, of course they want to benefit from that.

Like i said for example dama NV has set the blocks for every casinos they have, both Estonian and curacao lisence. Even when i only asked this from one casino under their curacao lisence. They operate with totally independent sites, with different support etc. That is an example that you dont always have to do everything what your lisence terms allows you to do. As a owner of casinos, you can always choose the responsible way to act.